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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Herbert123 wrote: That will be a huge selling point for anyone even remotely interested in texture creation.
Thanks for that -- I was not sure what the feature could be used for.
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Herbert123 wrote: The only thing missing now in the curves in Photoline is the ability to map either a bitmap brush or a vector brush along the paths.
Stretching a vector shape along the path -- Yes, a thousand times Yes:
http://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4857
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Herbert123 wrote:For me, at this point I am missing a symbols panel, with reuseable symbols that can be instanced anywhere on the page(s). When the symbol is updated, all the instances are updated as well.
+1

+1 for master pages, too.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Herbert123 wrote:1) while it is possible to draw with a vector brush, it does not work yet with bitmap painting.
Here it does. :?:
Herbert123 wrote:2) bitmap painting is very slow because all the copies are updated in real-time.
I thought, it doesn't work with bitmap painting for you?
The speed depends on the zoom level (corresponding to the number of tiles). So for bitmap painting, it's probably better to zoom in and just see the borders of the neighbour tiles... Anyway, if there is no other solution.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Eurgail wrote:
Herbert123 wrote:1) while it is possible to draw with a vector brush, it does not work yet with bitmap painting.
Here it does. :?:
Herbert123 wrote:2) bitmap painting is very slow because all the copies are updated in real-time.
I thought, it doesn't work with bitmap painting for you?
The speed depends on the zoom level (corresponding to the number of tiles). So for bitmap painting, it's probably better to zoom in and just see the borders of the neighbour tiles... Anyway, if there is no other solution.
I should have been more precise in my wording:

The vector brush can be used to draw outside the borders. The bitmap brush/tools cannot - those will only work on the bitmap canvas inside the borders.

The speed issue can be possibly solved by turning off the realtime updating. However, Krita also supports seamless (bitmap) painting, and there is no performance hit in Krita when turning on seamless painting. Not entirely sure how they do it, but I believe they blit directly in the canvas (using OpenGL). But Photoline does not use OpenGL - I have no idea how Gerhard solved this. It seems to me that the copies are doing the same work as the "master" one, and that results in a slow-down.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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photoken wrote:
Herbert123 wrote: That will be a huge selling point for anyone even remotely interested in texture creation.
Thanks for that -- I was not sure what the feature could be used for.
This can be quite a seller, actually: for example, Photoline can now be used for seamless textile pattern creation as well.

At this point, however, the seamless mode still needs some work before it becomes practical: exporting does not work yet as expected, and switching back to "normal" mode removes the pattern. It also lack a "fix" option to fix the pattern and creates a version that can be used outside of "seamless mode".

In Krita, when the user switches off seamless mode, the changes are maintained in the canvas. In Photoline switching back to normal mode the content partly disappears (where the user drew in the border areas).

Another issue is the border: in seamless mode the border ought to be the same colour as the main canvas. Currently it is darkened (depends on your border settings).

This is a good starting point, though. Just needs a bit more refinement before it becomes a great new feature in Photoline.
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@Herbert123: I understood this mode completely different:
This mode is only for the pattern creation process. If the pattern is thought to be finished you can create a texture from this document (right click in the pattern panel -> "Color From Document") with the knowledge that the cutting sites are fine and the complete thing is looking as you wanted and so on.
I guess, it's not intended to be used in the final document (as a kind of live editing). :idea: :?:
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The only thing that is lacking, in my opinion, is the possibility to edit patterns directly (not to create a new document from an existing pattern (where pattern mode is switched on automatically (very intuitiv :) )) and then reimport it as a new pattern and so on. So, that one can do live editing in two windows: the first one with the main document a second one for the pattern (in pattern mode of course :) ). That's all. But i don't know if it is possible within the program structure of PhotoLine.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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What you are saying makes sense - although I would think this is a perfect mode for general purpose seamless texture generation (textile patterns, 3d repeating textures, and so on).

Of course, I do not know what the brothers have in mind here. In Krita the seamless mode is meant for general texturing work and pattern creation.

I see no reason why Photoline's seamless mode would not be able to do the same - and with vectors!
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Small workflow improvement request: when creating an object, or scaling it, or moving it, etcetera, it would be extraordinarily handy if we could hold down either the spacebar or the middle mouse button to pan the view.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Curve editing workflow request: when a point is added, the original shape is kept intact.

However, when we remove a point, the shape is changed. If possible, Photoline should try to keep the original shape as much as it can when points are manually deleted.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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One more (last one for now) request: it would be great to have a gradient option that allows us to have the gradient follow the curve, as well as an option to create a gradient that goes across.

This is how illustrator CS6 does it:
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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Hi,

bei der Arbeit mit Photoline (aktuelle Beta) ist mir Folgendes aufgefallen:

- in der Bildübersicht wird bei mir das Vorschaubild im Gegensatz zu PL 19.51 in der aktuellen Beta immer quadratisch angezeigt. Kann dies in den Einstellungen zur Bildübersicht eventuell geändert werden?
- öffnet man eine *.pld als Platzhalter, z.B. eine entwickelte Raw Datei, so werden nach dem Bearbeiten des Platzhalters die Änderungen nicht übernommen. Ist nach der Bearbeitung etwas zu beachten? Änderungen am Platzhalter, insbesondere bei Raw-Dateien, würden bei der Bildbearbeitung in vielen Fällen neue Möglichkeiten eröffnen!

Grüße

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Herbert123 wrote: it would be great to have a gradient option that allows us to have the gradient follow the curve, as well as an option to create a gradient that goes across.
Yes, I really liked those Illustrator options when I read about them.

Although you can more or less get the "across" gradient effect by applying multiple vector attributes to a path, it would be preferable to have those quick and simple options you showed.

That would be a help when illustrating an object that has a round bezel, like some gauges.
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Re: Neue Testversion 19.90b5

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maxwell wrote:- in der Bildübersicht wird bei mir das Vorschaubild im Gegensatz zu PL 19.51 in der aktuellen Beta immer quadratisch angezeigt. Kann dies in den Einstellungen zur Bildübersicht eventuell geändert werden?
Ja, das ist ein Fehler in der aktuellen Beta.
maxwell wrote:- öffnet man eine *.pld als Platzhalter, z.B. eine entwickelte Raw Datei, so werden nach dem Bearbeiten des Platzhalters die Änderungen nicht übernommen. Ist nach der Bearbeitung etwas zu beachten? Änderungen am Platzhalter, insbesondere bei Raw-Dateien, würden bei der Bildbearbeitung in vielen Fällen neue Möglichkeiten eröffnen!
Wenn die Platzhalterebene die aktive Ebene im Platzhalterdokument ist, dann sollte sie nach dem Aktivieren des Platzhalterdokuments aktualisiert werden.

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