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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 20:08 Maybe somehow bring file types list in "Options" and "Save", "Save As", "Export" and Browser menus to the same order (alphabetical with PLD on top.) for more user friendly navigation? Maybe use grouping and separation by raster/vector/video/icons-sursors logical types?
That's the reason for the order.
It's sorted in document, raster, vector, video in some places (open, save) and mixed in options.
I don't know what's the best way to sort it.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:20 I am not against better Timeline, but i rather vote for spending dveloper's time to something like requested earlier Mean/Median Stacking tool, or Cloner tool, or more user friendly RAW tools, or improved Styles tool, but not for advanced Animation tool.
Proper timeline with easy to use keyframes is like a separate app. It could take a lot of time to understand what workflows animators really use and need. In most cases those who need serious animation will do it in video editing apps or in 2D animation apps...
No-one here expects an advanced animation tool - there are already plenty of advanced animation tools out there, both free and commercial.

A simple frame-by-frame timeline is all that is needed - much simpler than the current Dynamic Animation timeline.

Since the animation tools are getting overhauled, now is the time to implement it, in my opinion.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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Gerhard Huber wrote: Fri 02 Jul 2021 08:04
shijan wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 20:08 Maybe somehow bring file types list in "Options" and "Save", "Save As", "Export" and Browser menus to the same order (alphabetical with PLD on top.) for more user friendly navigation? Maybe use grouping and separation by raster/vector/video/icons-sursors logical types?
That's the reason for the order.
It's sorted in document, raster, vector, video in some places (open, save) and mixed in options.
I don't know what's the best way to sort it.
Maybe use menu separators to define file type groups in more obvious way? Example:

PLD
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BMP
GIF
HDR
JPEG
PNG
PSD
TIF
WEBP
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ANI
CUR
ICNS
ICO
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AVI
MOV
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DXF
PDF
SVG
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Wed 30 Jun 2021 11:34When use "Delete" mode in animation, there is a problem in preview and export with objects that use Vector Outline.
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shijan wrote: Wed 30 Jun 2021 12:21 Quick activate "In Active Layer" option by holding "Command" key for all vector tools still don't works. Visually looks like button works, but in reality it don't works. Shapes are still created in new layers. (problem transferred from 22.90b11 thread)
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shijan wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 21:48 Small visual bug in Hue editor:
If i change color model and then click "Reset" - background don't updates. Background updates only when i switch to other mode and back.
I will fix that.
shijan wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 18:26 I wrote about some specific situation with Remove Brush tool earlier here viewtopic.php?p=47735#p47735, but with newer Shift-click option it became even more interesting. I am not sure if it is a bug or simply some sort of expected in PhotoLine that i can't understand. So here is the situation:
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That's strange. I will check that.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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Probably this was asked for decades, but here is one more attempt :) Is it possible to add "Invert" Adjustment filter? Formally this missing filter looks like bug in UI, because there is a destructive "Invert" filter in "Tool->Color" menu, but same time there is no non-destructive "Invert" Adjustment layer filter.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Fri 02 Jul 2021 19:30 Probably this was asked for decades, but here is one more attempt :) Is it possible to add "Invert" Adjustment filter? Formally this missing filter looks like bug in UI, because there is a destructive "Invert" filter in "Tool->Color" menu, but same time there is no non-destructive "Invert" Adjustment layer filter.
Use the curves adjustment layer --> Invert preset.

It is indeed a bit odd that such a basic adjustment is not listed as a separate adjustment layer. But on the other hand it would clutter the adjustment menu with one more entry.

From the user perspective I'd also expect it to see it in the list. However that list is becoming quite long in the layer panel. It may be time to split that one adjustment layer button into three: adjustments, filters, and "other".
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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Yes, i use Curves. But instead of Invert with single click, i need to open Curves, click invert button in Curves, and then rename "Curves" layer to "Invert" to not confuse it with other Curves adjustment layers. Same layer thumbnail icon for "Curves" and "Invert" also makes it hard to locale visually. It shows inverted curve preview, but it is still not the same as normal well recognized icon. Not convenient...
I can record this to Actions, but this also require switching to actions panel, select action, click play, and switching back to working panel. It just feels like too many bothering for such a basic and essential tool that is missing for unknown reason.

As for too long Adjustments menu - i don't think that 1 additional item will make any difference.
:arrow: Also here is idea - what if add user option in preferences to show/hide Adjustment filters in quick menus? Sort of list with checkboxes to show/hide menu items.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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Currently "Vector Object" tool quick list always resets to the first tab. I guess it should use tab that belongs to already selected clipart image. (Same logic as with colors/gradient quick list. If Color was selected - it show Color tab. If Gradient was selected - it show Gradient tab.)
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Wed 30 Jun 2021 11:34 Any chance to preview animation in normal main window instead of panel preview? Preview in tiny panel window is not user friendly at all.
Only during playing the animation or with single step, too?

Currently I can't say for sure whether a document preview will interfere with normal editing of the document content.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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Herbert123 wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 23:10
shijan wrote: Wed 30 Jun 2021 11:34 Any chance to preview animation in normal main window instead of panel preview? Preview in tiny panel window is not user friendly at all.
I agree, I am already missing the old animate layers option.
I don't understand that. You can still do everything that the old Animate Layers offered.
Herbert123 wrote: Thu 01 Jul 2021 23:10This also has to do with the "Dynamic Animation" option: that window also only previews a local version. It feels very, very fragmented, and any other image editor that allows for animation and any other animation application plays the animations directly in the main view.
Playing the animation in the document window would be possible, but still frames aren't, because this way you would no longer be able to edit the document contents.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Fri 02 Jul 2021 20:29 "Unsharp Masking" layer thumbnail is off-centered to the bottom:
Your icon ("100020 IDP_FILTER_USM") isn't centered, so the screen output isn't centered, too.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b12

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shijan wrote: Fri 02 Jul 2021 01:22 Some cropped characters:
Shad - Shades
(...)

Bottom part of letter y
(...)
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shijan wrote: Sun 04 Jul 2021 02:35 Preview artifacts when use "Text on Path".
Zoom in-out cleans the artifact, but it is very distracting.
I will fix that.

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