photoken hat geschrieben:Herbert123 hat geschrieben: (...) conventions as used everywhere else in the "industry" (meaning: other design software).
No, it's not "used everywhere".
CorelDraw X5 has been using the new PL behaviour for years -- if you've clicked on a layer in the layer list, the arrow keys scroll through the list. If you click on an object in the main editing window, the arrow keys move the object.
Illustrator CS5 doesn't allow using the arrow keys at all in the layers list, so you have to use the mouse to click on a layer to select it. Because of that limited capability, once you've selected a layer the arrow keys move the layer's content.
You got me there. I should have said "most" design applications I am familiar with (as far as I am aware, and in my experience). It does not invalidate my other points, though. The real question is whether CorelDraw's and (currently new) Photoline's approach improves a layer based workflow in an image editor, or hampers it.
How often will a user actually use the keys to select groups of layers? Or browse through layers with keys? Compared to moving content with the cursor keys. and utilizing the mouse to browse and select layers?
Let's compare with the industry standard (Photoshop): selecting a layer always allows for direct manipulation of a layer with the cursor keys. To select layers with the keyboard, <alt><[> and <alt><]> are used, in combination with <shift> to select multiple layers. After using the keyboard to select layers, the cursor keys can be used to move the selected content. It is direct, and it works well. Better than the current approach in Photoline's newest beta, which just takes more clicks, and more careful clicking, and ends up as a more convoluted workflow.
I think we should ask ourselves HOW we work most efficiently with layers in Photoline. Do we focus on content, or on the layer list with cursor keys? I had no issues working with the previous versions of Photoline. Select one or more layers, and I can move the content with the cursor keys (as long as the layer tool is active). Now I do encounter workflow paint points: it takes me extra time, and extra effort, because I must click very specific GUI elements before I can move elements with the cursor keys after selecting them in the layer panel. And there are issues, which I mentioned in my previous post, with the current implementation as it is, which lead to inconsistent behaviour in Photoline.
If anything, I strongly suggest to make this behaviour a preference setting. At the very least accommodate both workflows. Please do not force the new method on all of us. That is all I ask. It is very hard adjusting one's kinetic memory of decades to a new method (one that already costs me more time and effort to work with in the latest beta).