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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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I have changed my monitor recently and the beta pointed me to something, I had even mentioned in the past: Font size used in menu and forms.

I have scaled the menu font with the dedicated function of Windows. Unfortunately, this setting is ignored from a lot of programs, which makes it even hard to explore them. What I wanted to do with this beta. Because of that, I was remembered to this personal challenge (decreasing eye performance)

(1) is a scaled menu (Vivaldi browser), (2)(3) are the sizes of PL:
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This is a 4k screenshot that might scale on a lower solution to "quite huge". Relevant is the absolute font size difference.

Regardless of the fact, that I use PL daily, I do this with a small amount of functions and I access all of them with shortcut keys. Asides that, I have to say that it is quite hard (for me) to navigate the program.

I checked the setting but could not find an option to increase font generally. Nearly all programs offer options to increase content, but surround it with fixed micro sized fonts. This is a contradiction, isn't it?
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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shijan wrote: Wed 08 Sep 2021 23:31 And another one transferred from 22.90b15.
Layers color management logic was changed a little bit.
I don't remember any change there.
shijan wrote: Wed 08 Sep 2021 23:31 Currently If Document set to sRGB i can not force set same sRGB ICC profile to the Layer.
This is done deliberatly. Most users struggle with color management. Allowing redundant color profiles inside a document will create unsolvable problems for them.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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NoSi wrote: Fri 10 Sep 2021 11:27 I checked the setting but could not find an option to increase font generally. Nearly all programs offer options to increase content, but surround it with fixed micro sized fonts.
Current Windows versions have a single settings to adjust the size of the UI elements (fonts, icons, buttons): the screen dpi.
PhotoLine and every other current application is supporting that. So increase the screen dpi setting on your Windows and every application should adjust its UI. No need for different settings in different applications.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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Martin Huber wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:08 This is done deliberatly. Most users struggle with color management. Allowing redundant color profiles inside a document will create unsolvable problems for them.
Hard to guess what unsolvable problems may create normal preview of color management chain. For me hidden and disappeared ICC profiles makes things more confused and less easy to read.

Same as with other disputable options - it could be an checkbox in global Preferences like: Hide/Show Passtrough ICC Profiles. So user can choose preferred way to preview color management chain in Layers and Groups
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shijan wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 12:01 Hard to guess what unsolvable problems may create normal preview of color management chain. For me hidden (...) ICC profiles makes things more confused and less easy to read.
There are no hidden ICC profiles. Redundant ICC profiles are removed. That's all.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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shijan wrote: Thu 09 Sep 2021 14:54By the way, seems Stamp Tool is also limited to 8 bit+dithering :(
Do you have an example, that doesn't work? My tests worked fine.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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shijan wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 16:14 It all works well. I just explain that if you work with 16 bit image and use Stamp Tool "Create from Lasso" - that Stamp Tool is always limited to 8 bit. Same 6 bit problem as with all other brushes.
The stamp tool is not limited to 8 bit. If you create a 16 bit stamp, it will use 16 bit.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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Martin Huber wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:18 Current Windows versions have a single settings to adjust the size of the UI elements (fonts, icons, buttons): the screen dpi.
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(1) Textskalierung (2) DPI-Skalierung
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DPI scales screen, if supported, text is scaled prior. As I said, there are only a view programs, supporting it.

I have to admit, that my programs do not support it, either. I solve this by increasing menu font size generally. No idea, where to fetch the value from system.
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NoSi wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 16:55 DPI scales screen, if supported, text is scaled prior. As I said, there are only a view programs, supporting it.
The text size setting is strange. It doesn't affect most Windows system fonts. My guess is that it is mostly used for UWP apps.

The general scaling should work with every app (and does work with PhotoLine).

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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UI text scaling have another side effect - dropboxes became larger and overlaps. UI text size in Photoline remains unchanged.
Global Windows UI resize (Make Everything Bigger) works well.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.90b16

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I also just tested 22.90b16 on virtual machine and can't reproduce problem illustrated NoSi.
When i increase text only size - menu and right click menus text became larger (same size as in Title bar).
Text size in PhotoLine tabs and other UI places remains unchanged (this is known limitation).
So i guess something must be adjusted in Windows settings. Or maybe NoSi simply forgot to restart PhotoLine after changing text size in Windows UI settings.
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