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Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Hallo,

es gibt wieder eine neue Testversion 24.40b18.

Windows:
https://www.pl32.com/beta/pl2440b18.zip

macOS:
https://www.pl32.com/beta/plx2440b18.zip

Neues:
  • Dockbare Dialoge, außerhalb des Schirm: Dockbare Dialoge, die außerhalb des Schirms sind, werden nun vollständig auf dem nächsten Schirm positioniert
  • Kurveneditor: Umschalt+Alt+Maus verschiebt Punkte horizontal, zusätzlich zu den bisherigen Modi Umschalt (vertikal) und Alt (Ausrichten auf Gitterpunkte)
  • Scripting, Windows: Für Powershell das Lesen von LONGs in SAFEARRAY(VARIANT) erweitert
  • Diverse Fehlerbehebungen und kleinere Verbesserungen
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Buttons for the pages panel! Huzzah! :D

Small request: would be nice if by holding down the CTRL key the "new page" button adds a new page without the need to use the new page dialog.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Some other problems fixed in 24.40b18 added to Large List of Bugfixes 2019-2024:
  • Point created by mouse-click on straight Curve sometimes shifted in one direction about 0.1% or 0.2%.
  • In docking panel Curves point became inactive when use bottom triangle handle, and so it is impossible to move point with arrow keys or navigate with -+ keys.
  • Brush Outline disappears if use Caps Lock and Command+arrow up/down keys.
  • in Color Info in List representation, numbers aligned to right instead of left. Sometimes it is hard to understand quickly which number belong to which color rectangle icon.
  • Some English translation missing in Emboss Filter.
  • When SpinSlider disabled in xml, Exposure slider Shift+scroll works incorrect. (Offset slider still works incorrect and changes value to 0.001 instead of 0.0001, if SpinSlider disabled in xml)
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Kurveneditor: Umschalt+Alt+Maus verschiebt Punkte horizontal, zusätzlich zu den bisherigen Modi Umschalt (vertikal) und Alt (Ausrichten auf Gitterpunkte)
Grossartig! (Obwohl mir eine Taste lieber wäre, auf dem Mac z.B. ⌘, also einfach cmd oder command)
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Herbert123 wrote: Tue 27 Aug 2024 21:07 Buttons for the pages panel! Huzzah! :D

Small request: would be nice if by holding down the CTRL key the "new page" button adds a new page without the need to use the new page dialog.
I'd like to suggest adding a button besides the page switching controls. Plz see post in https://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=7102

In picture mode, clicking that button can immediately turns the active document into document mode, and one more page with the same size is created after the active one.
In document mode, clicking that button can append a new page with the same size as the active one.
If shift-clicking that button, the new page will be a duplication of the current one.
If alt-clicking that button, a dialog will pop up for more options.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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I just downloaded the new beta and saw that the labels were so big but the thumbnails were too small in the Pages panel.
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Is it possible to hide the text labels under the thumbnails and fully utilize the rooms to display the thumbnails?

The "Page " is downright unnecessary in the Pages panel. All of us knows that is a thumbnail of a page.

Perhaps it is appropriated to overlay the page number over the thumbnail so we can have bigger thumbnails but page numbers as well.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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wmjordan wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 04:40 I'd like to suggest adding a button besides the page switching controls. Plz see post in https://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=7102

In picture mode, clicking that button can immediately turns the active document into document mode, and one more page with the same size is created after the active one.
In document mode, clicking that button can append a new page with the same size as the active one.
If shift-clicking that button, the new page will be a duplication of the current one.
If alt-clicking that button, a dialog will pop up for more options.
I really like your idea. And makes a lot of logical sense.

The click/shift/alt behaviour sounds great for the new page button in the pages panel as well.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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wmjordan wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 04:47 I just downloaded the new beta and saw that the labels were so big but the thumbnails were too small in the Pages panel.

shot.png

Is it possible to hide the text labels under the thumbnails and fully utilize the rooms to display the thumbnails?

The "Page " is downright unnecessary in the Pages panel. All of us knows that is a thumbnail of a page.

Perhaps it is appropriated to overlay the page number over the thumbnail so we can have bigger thumbnails but page numbers as well.
Did you reduce the thumbnail size to a minimum by accident or on purpose?

I always increase the page thumbnail size to a large preview to easily differentiate between pages and their contents.

In PhotoLine the label is also used to save pages with that file name. I use that regularly, and would hate to see the labels removed. I actually like renaming pages for their function as well.

But a display preference in the pages panel could be a solution to accommodate both workflows.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Herbert123 wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 08:07
wmjordan wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 04:47 I just downloaded the new beta and saw that the labels were so big but the thumbnails were too small in the Pages panel.

shot.png

Is it possible to hide the text labels under the thumbnails and fully utilize the rooms to display the thumbnails?

The "Page " is downright unnecessary in the Pages panel. All of us knows that is a thumbnail of a page.

Perhaps it is appropriated to overlay the page number over the thumbnail so we can have bigger thumbnails but page numbers as well.
Did you reduce the thumbnail size to a minimum by accident or on purpose?

I always increase the page thumbnail size to a large preview to easily differentiate between pages and their contents.

In PhotoLine the label is also used to save pages with that file name. I use that regularly, and would hate to see the labels removed. I actually like renaming pages for their function as well.

But a display preference in the pages panel could be a solution to accommodate both workflows.
I think a 64*64 size will be sufficient for me to identify each pages. Hence I set that icon size via the context menu. Unfortunately under such a configuration, the actual size of a thumbnail is far smaller than 64*64.

As for names, I think only meaningful names (for instance, Contents, Preface, Chapter 1, etc.) that assigned by the user should appear. And the default name of "Page 1" can be displayed just using a number "1" in the context of Page Panel. It is of course reasonable to have a name like "Page 1" when that page is being saved.

Don't forget that we have two views for the Pages panel. If I care for the name of a page, I'd like to switch to the title view by hitting the rightmost button. When I care for the visual overview of all pages, I'd like to have the thumbnail taking the maximum possible space.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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I think a 64*64 size will be sufficient for me to identify each pages. Hence I set that icon size via the context menu. Unfortunately under such a configuration, the actual size of a thumbnail is far smaller than 64*64.
Due bottom text overall thumbnails size visually very different in List and Grid view. I guess perfectly List and Grid view should remember separately its own thumbnail size setting.
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Maybe add user option in menu to show/hide page names in Grid view? I don't like the idea to remove page names permanently.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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wmjordan wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 09:48
I think a 64*64 size will be sufficient for me to identify each pages. Hence I set that icon size via the context menu. Unfortunately under such a configuration, the actual size of a thumbnail is far smaller than 64*64.
I usually have it set to a minimum of 128px, and also switch to larger thumbnail sizes depending on the type of work that I do.

But you are correct in saying that the thumbnail size doesn't reflect the actual size of the thumbnail, but of the total square width and height which includes the label size... Perhaps it would be preferable to make sure the height/width of the actual page icon is that size, rather than the entire area with label.
wmjordan wrote: Tue 03 Sep 2024 09:48 As for names, I think only meaningful names (for instance, Contents, Preface, Chapter 1, etc.) that assigned by the user should appear. And the default name of "Page 1" can be displayed just using a number "1" in the context of Page Panel. It is of course reasonable to have a name like "Page 1" when that page is being saved.

Don't forget that we have two views for the Pages panel. If I care for the name of a page, I'd like to switch to the title view by hitting the rightmost button. When I care for the visual overview of all pages, I'd like to have the thumbnail taking the maximum possible space.
I actually like seeing the page numbers. I do agree that the "page" part could be left out. Perhaps the number could be added to the icon itself, but at smaller thumbnail sizes the number wouldn't fit properly.

A simple preference setting to display or hide the labels/names could be useful to fit the user's preference.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Now that we are discussing the page thumbnails: I feel that there is a lot of vertical space wasted with having two lines used for the page number and the page label.

This is an easy fix :D
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Or if a page prefix indicator must be maintained: P1 – Page Label

If this is implemented: please use a proper EN dash rather than the regular dash!!! It looks so much better!
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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Large numbers of pages will not fit into single line with Page Label. By the way, how exactly add that Page Label? I don't see any option to rename pages.
I somehow like that useless "Page" prefix before page number, but it really should be hidden in smaller thumbnail sizes.
:arrow: I still believe that simplest possible problem fix is to allow List and Grid view remember separately its own thumbnail size setting.

It is also interesting how different grid view thumbnails looks in 32 and 48 size. But i am not sure why anyone want to use so small thumbnails in Grid view in real life.
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Re: Neue Testversion 24.40b18

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@shijan To change the page label (title): open the page property panel.
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