Rationalizing and Simplifying the UI/UX of PL in 2025: A proposal

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In Affinity i need to uncheck applied Layer FX one by one, which took way more clicks. It is strange that for this situation Affinity even don't have global "Reset" button for Layer FX
You can kill all layer FX and adjustments from a separate panel. You can also delete individual adjustments and FX from the same panel.

No. You're right. That's only for live filters and adjustments. Not FX.

But that's easy enough to solve. Just build a reset button for all FX.
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One more instance where "Tab" to move to next is extremely useful to have. If you have a vector object, and you have selected a node. Pressing tab should take you to the next node. Tab again, next node. If you're fully-zoomed in, and the next node is out of screen, the screen should simply pan to the next node.

Thus tab key would be useful as a universal move to next function. Tab to next item in layer, if you're in layer panels. Tab to next item in isolation mode if you're in isolation mode. Tab to move to next gradient stop if you're in gradient. Tab to select the next object if you're in select mode. It just works universally.

Likewise, another on-canvas control that I really badly need - and this is not just a suggestion: I really need it - is on-screen scrubbing. I should be able to press down on a label with a drawing pen and drag back and forth to increase or decrease the parameters. This is especially usefully when you're working just with the tablet. Otherwise, say it want to increase layer opacity. How do I do it? I click on the text box for this, either switch to mouse to scroll up and down, or use the up and down keys on keyboard, or use the up and down buttons in the UI. Especially true where there are no sliders. This switching between interface really interrupts workflow.

Even adjustments should allow on-screen scrubbing. Affinity nailed this for a pen tablet-native workflow. :) I'll record a video of this later.
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I Agree. Nice idea. It could be described way simpler:
Always automatically focus on area of selected vector point when navigate using Tab key on zoomed-in vector layer.

I also agree that Tab key could be used in some places to navigate, but it should be done only in some very special areas, because Tab key used as global hotkey to Show/Hide panels, in customized key layouts, like mine, that attempt partially match to Ps logic.
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Again, Tab is just a convenient key. It can be any other key on the left hand side of the keyboard. There should be a simple "Move to Next" function in the shortcuts that can be manually assigned a key, which will work globally as described.
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Vivi_Ram wrote: Tue 04 Feb 2025 19:50 Again, Tab is just a convenient key. It can be any other key on the left hand side of the keyboard. There should be a simple "Move to Next" function in the shortcuts that can be manually assigned a key, which will work globally as described.
Well, Tab is already navigates between vector points in vector objects. It just don't change focus of the document yet. For me Tab looks like a nice key for special situations.
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Well, Tab is already navigates between vector points in vector objects. It just don't change focus of the document yet. For me Tab looks like a nice key for special situations.
Point taken. :)
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https://youtu.be/YBSwWZEKzEI - Scrubbing control video. This is quite useful in pen-tablet workflows. Press down on the label and simply drag.

Noticed that the adjustment dialogue boxes didn't show up. Sorry. OBS didn't record it.
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And how that onscreen cursor control should behave if filter have more than one slider? It feels like another "improvement" that Affinity made just for fun but not for work.
Just keep Adjustment panel always open and it give you much faster access to adjustment controls and menu to add new layer.
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shijan wrote: Wed 05 Feb 2025 11:29 And how that onscreen cursor control should behave if filter have more than one slider? It feels like another "improvement" that Affinity made just for fun but not for work.
Just keep Adjustment panel always open and it give you much faster access to adjustment controls and menu to add new layer.
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It's not for fun @Shijan. It works only with filters radius, such as blurs, sharpening, shadow, etc., and no other parameters, which is still consistent in my opinion. If a filter has no radius, then this function does not work. And as I said, it is NOT a major improvement. It's a minor but good improvement for working with pen tablets. Your solution indeed does work. No question.

But I always worry about screen-space and generally dislike having multiple panels open. The solution could be panels that reveal when hovered over and go away once the mouse is moved away. Panels which can be pinned and unpinned for permanent display, too.


But scrubbing labels is a big improvement for pen tablet workflows. Which of course Affinity stole from Photoshop. I don't know who PS stole it from. - See PS.

I was discussing with another user, @ogonek, about how PL seems a bit unfriendly towards pen-tablet only workflows. Zooming is really primitive at the moment and can be vastly improved. Ctrl + Space and Alt + Space + pen tapping zooms in and out in whole values. Which is not particularly useful. Further, you cannot retain the zoom behaviour whilst the keys are held down. You have to let go of the keys, and then press the keys down again, to trigger the zoom behaviour.

The sliders in PL are slightly janky. They lag sometimes when you drag behind the mouse cursor. And in order to overcome this lagging, I often switch to keyboard or mouse and use keystrokes or scroll wheel to change parameters.

A simple improvement that can help is, instead of vertical rectangles as sliders controls, you have a circle, and you have a program option under "Display" in UI, to increase or decrease the size of this circle. PS has a nifty little diamond for sliders. I don't like them. Circle is clear and easy to click on. I'd also love to be able to control the size of the control handles and vector nodes within UI options. - ALSO AVAILABLE NOW.

So many wishes. So little time! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

P.S: What do you know! Scrubbing does exist in PL. But is triggered by middle mouse button!
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In Pl you always need to see Adjustments panel, Tool Settings, Layer and Document Attributes. Everything adjusted from these panels. This is how it was designed to work. To be honest i remember in my early days of usage i also was confused a little bit why use panels instead of toolbars and ask to change UI? But later i understand than this UI logic appears to be much faster and logical compare any other apps. Complex apps always use complex UI and many panels. There is a hotkey to Hide all panels (similar to Ps), so you can anytime hide everything and keep only image on screen.
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shijan wrote: Wed 05 Feb 2025 12:10 In Pl you always need to see Adjustments panel, Tool Settings, Layer and Document Attributes. Everything adjusted from these panels. This is how it was designed to work. To be honest i remember in my early days of usage i also was confused a little bit why use panels instead of toolbars and ask to change UI? But later i understand than this UI logic appears to be much faster and logical compare any other apps. Complex apps always use complex UI and many panels. There is a hotkey to Hide all panels (similar to Ps), so you can anytime hide everything and keep only image on screen.
Hide Panels (F11) is great. I know about it. But consider this. Let's say you're in hide panel model and working on a large and complex composition with multiple objects outside your main canvas. Now, instead of having to press F11 to reveal all panels, you move your mouse cursor to the right, and only the panels on the right (in my set up it is layer list and layer properties, and so on) reveal briefly, until you have to perform a certain quick action. Such as changing layer order, say. And once that's done, you move your cursor, the panel is gone. Likewise, you want to set colour, you hover to the left, and you get the colour editor and tool settings. You want to open a new document, you hover up. And all these panels, along with minimize, close buttons also come with a little pin icon. You click on it, you can pin them to your screen - even in hide panel mode.
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The sliders in PL are slightly janky. They lag sometimes when you drag behind the mouse cursor. And in order to overcome this lagging, I often switch to keyboard or mouse and use keystrokes or scroll wheel to change parameters.
Just hover cursor over any slider (or value field) and mouse scroll. This gives the most precise control and way more accurate than dragging.
A simple improvement that can help is, instead of vertical rectangles as sliders controls, you have a circle, and you have a program option under "Display" in UI, to increase or decrease the size of this circle. PS has a nifty little diamond for sliders. I don't like them. Circle is clear and easy to click on. I'd also love to be able to control the size of the control handles and vector nodes within UI options.
Sliders handles are already circle. If you see blue rectangles, you probably turn off themming in PhotoLine Preferences. In older versions in Windows circle handles where larger sized, and i liked them better than current smaller sized circle handles.
P.S: What do you know! Scrubbing does exist in PL. But is triggered by middle mouse button!
It always was there and i wrote about this to you in other topic.
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Sliders handles are already circle. If you see blue rectangles, you probably turn off themming in PhotoLine Preferences.
It always was there and i wrote about this to you in other topic.
I just realized the middle click drag works to scrub. Slider handles being circles is new to me. Didn't realize! I'll switch off theming and see. You're always learning new things in PL. Great! :D
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Like that!
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Notice the pin icon next to the other options such as minimize and close.
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Vivi_Ram wrote: Wed 05 Feb 2025 12:17 Hide Panels (F11) is great. I know about it. But consider this. Let's say you're in hide panel model and working on a large and complex composition with multiple objects outside your main canvas. Now, instead of having to press F11 to reveal all panels, you move your mouse cursor to the right, and only the panels on the right (in my set up it is layer list and layer properties, and so on) reveal briefly, until you have to perform a certain quick action. Such as changing layer order, say. And once that's done, you move your cursor, the panel is gone. Likewise, you want to set colour, you hover to the left, and you get the colour editor and tool settings. You want to open a new document, you hover up. And all these panels, along with minimize, close buttons also come with a little pin icon. You click on it, you can pin them to your screen - even in hide panel mode.
For my personal appearance all sorts of Auto hidden panels is the most stupid thing ever made. They literally slow down workflow because for any single slider change you every time need to spend few clicks or move mouse to the edge, then click or hover and then move mouse back to adjustment slider. Also that instant epileptic blinking distracts from thinking about the image.
Just get wider screen.

Many things in PhotoLine like Colors, Brushes are already duplikated as auto hidden. They temporary appears as drop lists when you click on that little arrow button in different places.
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