What I've been doing in PL recently

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What I've been doing in PL recently

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You saw my shots of my hair model, Lucy, in Papua New Guinea a while back -- here is a new one with more manipulation.

The picture taking was pretty straightforward -- pinned up a dark blue sheet in a little corridor with a low light ceiling and old darkish cream walls. Had the model perched on the arm of a chair. Had an FL50 flash on top of the E-PL3 fitted with the f1.8 45mm (90mm equiv) lens, bouncing off the ceiling. That was it (my attempts to use two flashes fell apart, dammit -- I wanted to bring in a second flash from above and left of the picture to make a hair and rim light).

The lens is too damned sharp!

In PL, I tweaked the green curve (Tool > Curves > then select the green curve) a bit to get rid of a slight green cast from the ambient fluorescent lighting. Next, I fixed the girl's nails -- they were cut off square because she does restaurant work so they were cut for practicality. These showed up badly on the second, third and fourth fingers. So for each of those, I used the vector curve tool to draw a crescent as close to the top of the nail as I could, converted that outline to a lasso (Tool > Lasso > Convert Layer to Lasso), then copied and pasted it. I then moved it to the right and up as necessary with the arrow keys to achieve a conservative rounded nail. I could have repeated it to go further, but felt that I didn’t want to gild the lily. Gilding would come later! :)

Then there were the eyes. Tiredness and a slightly allergic reaction to the make up had reddened them. I decided to go for broke on the eyes -- I outlined the whites with the vector tool, converted that to a lasso (as above), then did some heavy lifting with hue, saturation, and brightness to get the result you see. (Too dramatic? These are for packaging and posters.)

Now -- when I took the pic I had forgotten the earrings as had Lucy. She had them on when she came into the salon for hairdressing and make-up; we forgot to put them back on after. Ho hum!!! So she came back for a quick session so I could take some pix of her with earrings and then take the earrings out of that and paste them into the formal shots. Not the best way to work, but hey . . .

No need for make-up or hairdressing -- or anything else. I set up the computer to show her the shots I wanted her to mimic, selected the earrings from a selection she brought along, she adopted the pose (or tried to -- have you any idea how difficult it is to imitate yourself in a particular pose?) with coaching from me, and I snapped away with the same camera/flash outfit but sans the sheet in the background.

We got close enough to the correct poses and sizing of the ear and earrings in the new shots to go on to the next step.

This involved opening the original picture, opening the new picture, drawing a freehand lasso around the earring, copying it then pasting it into the original picture. In one case, I tweaked the size -- the earring was a bit too small. To accurately place the earring, I put crossed guides over the ear piercing hole visible in the original photo, then brought the new element in under that.

All that remained was with the pasted layer selected, to carefully erase the remnant image in and around the earring leaving just the earring sitting on the original picture. (There should be another step here -- add a visibility mask to the layer I was erasing to ensure I got a clear background. I must have done that somehow, but I don’t know how! It was just there!)

That worked fine, but the silver earrings I had added looked excellent in life but were too obtrusive in the picture. So I took a very narrow brush, selected a dark yellow color, set the brush to about 28% opacity, and painted away (at very high magnification -- a very important point when doing such work!). I gilded the earring and it really made a difference.

I then reduced everything to a single layer, opened the plug-in, Topaz Adjust, and applied "Portrait Smooth" which smoothed out the skin and tones and introduced some reddening. (PL has a filter, Effects > Special Tools > Beautify -- I only discovered it today by accident so I've never actually used it).

Finally, I returned to PL and used the Remove Brush (the one with the green field and black spots) to clean up a few bits of localized skin roughness that remained.

The result is what you see! Except it isn't. The picture is showing up quite a bit redder that what I see in PL on my screen and how it prints on an HP printer. But you get the idea.

Oh damn! I was supposed to be emphasizing the hair, wasn't I? I'm in love with the face! :)

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Geoffrey Heard
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Geoffrey

apparently you've been doing lots of things indeed !
Maybe a copy of the original illustrates that better than words ?
If permitted, others could present their preferred version too...
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It looks really oversaturated here. Pieces of her skin have a saturation of >85%, that's close to pure orange, and on her lips there's a saturation of 100%! And yes, I think her eyes look somewhat artificial, too. But if it is for packaging and posters that might be fine, I don't know...

Do you work in AdobeRGB? The file did not contain a profile.
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Your wish is my command, sus. Original attached. Under exposed by about half to one stop, I think (by accident, not intention). As I mentioned, electronic flash, bounced of somewhat dingy white ceiling color in camera set to sunlight (that tends to give me the most consistent results). Have a go and see what you produce -- then tell us all the steps you too. Anyone else is welcome to join the fun!

I'll br particularly interested to see what someone else can do with the eyes. As Hoogo says (and I noted) they are overdone. That was part deliberate -- I wanted them to stand out ion a poster or on a package in a supermarket -- but also part incompetence. I would have preferred to make the edges a bit softer and a touch less white so they would edge towards looking super white but a little more natural. If someone can do that (and I suspect it's quite easy, really) I'll be interested to know how.

Oversaturated -- absolutely, Hoogo, but for some reason it looks much more saturated as it appears here than it does as I sent it to the forum. It prints very well on plain paper using the HP Laserjet CM1415fnw I have access to in the office I'm working in.

Color management? Standard as PL comes -- System. I'm on OS X.6.8 on a 15" MBP 2010 with the hi-rez screen. The screen is not In-camera color management, the same. Whatever Olympus sets in camera. I work with JPEGs, not RAW.

Actually, I just calibrated it -- made it a bit less blue at 5000 K white point.

Right now, I'm having some problems with my screen. I booted up on Monday morning and got no screen! I died a thousand deaths instantly!!! Then it finally came up (after several boots) with moire patterns in blue and pink. I fixed that by zapping PRAM -- boot holding down control-option-P-R and release after the third start up chime. But it's still not quite right, i think.

Hoogo -- how to you measure saturation? I have no idea. :?

Cheers, geoff
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Ack! That's showing up as quite greenish! But it's not here!

Ooops! That was influenced by the 5000K setting. I've gone to 6500K (which is native, I think) and it looks much better although still a bit of a green tinge. :?

Cheers, geoff
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Thanks Geoff for the offer.
I think you did a great job with the smoothing and especially with adding the earring.
The saturation of the whole image however is a bit over the top for my taste.
The most worrying are the eyes.
I see you had no choice because they are already problematic in the original.
In the added image I tried to correct it by selecting only the eye whites and applying a color replacement
to rgb white ( menu Tools, Color, Replace color ) making sure that both the tolerances are set to 100 percent.
I also tried to add some depth by increasing the contrast a bit and by adding a very small outside shadow effect.
These corrections are minimal and probably only visible on your screen (I hope you managed to get that working again :)
For the moment I spare you some of my more adventurous experiments with your picture ...
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Do you have the original RAW file to post somewhere so that people can provide their interpretation (with your consent of course)?
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Applying some effects ...
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...or blending modes
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I like that gentle shadow and glow effect, sus. I hadn't thought of using those effects in that way. I'll keep them in mind. :shock:

Cheers, geoff
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OK, here's my attempt to fix the eyes. I tried to correct the original image because that retains more of the original light setup. In this case, I used a curves layer in HIS mode to fix up the colour of the eyes (use the sum curve to brighten the eyes, then the saturation curve to reduce the red tone). Then filled the adjustment layer with black (so I was back to the original picture) and painted the parts of the eyes which needed correction with white (on the adjustment layer). Finally, I fine-tuned the curves.
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I've included the pld file as well, so you can look at and play with the adjustments yourself.

I also tried toning down the eyes in the finished picture a bit and added a bit of a shadow under the upper eyelid – imo, this also looks very good.

BTW., I am still puzzled about the colour saturation problem – how did you save/export the jpeg image which you posted here? Does it also look oversaturated on your screen if you open the jpeg image in PL, or just in the forum software? What browser do you use? What if you open the image with your browser? The original image which you posted looks ok to me (except maybe for the slight greenish cast).

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Nice work on the eyes, burkhardt. I'll have to work through that step-by-step. Clearly you have produced a much more naturalistic look while getting very significant lightening.

Saving to JPEG? I just saved the PLD file as JPEG! About 80% probably.

I would say the saturation has to be a function of what Topaz Adjust does. I was happy with the result -- I wanted that poster-ish look -- so I didn’t investigate the Adjust settings.

Just had a look -- the Saturation is 1.75 (from 1) and the separate Saturation Boost is 0.8. That's pretty solid saturation. Will, as you can see. :)

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greenmorpher hat geschrieben:I would say the saturation has to be a function of what Topaz Adjust does. I was happy with the result -- I wanted that poster-ish look -- so I didn’t investigate the Adjust settings.
Seems I misunderstood you then – I somehow thought that the increased saturation was part of the colour problem, but if that's what is needed for an ad, that's fine, I don't know much about advertising.

Anyhow, the colour difference is probably due to the missing colour profile (as Hoogo already mentioned) – PL uses the one set in Preferences -> Colour management -> Standard -> RGB (probably sRGB), but most browsers (including Safari, unfortunately) use the display profile (or, equivalently, don't do any colour management at all). If you are interested, try to assign the profile (using Tools -> Colour -> Set Colour Profile …) and assign sRGB to the document.

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greenmorpher hat geschrieben:Hoogo -- how to you measure saturation? I have no idea. :?
Usually, the color picker measures in RGB. But that can be changed using "edit > options, working > special".
Or better: View> Panels > Picture info, if you don't already have the picture infos enabled. There you can see the colors with any tool, and you can change between different color models, like HSV to see the saturation.
And last, "tools > change channels" offers to move the saturation into a gray picture/mask. All bright spots of that preview are very saturated.

Your Jpgs do not contain color profiles. If you just used "save as" to create that file, then I think that you have no profile assigned to the picture in PL as well. I think then the settings in "edit > options, color management > standard" apply. Here on windows it says "system", I had to look deeply into the system to find that this results in the use of sRGB.

But I did find the small entry "sRGB" in the Exifs. Not sure if this has any effects.

Is there any Raw-converter involved?
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Thanks, guys, for the explanations. No RAW involved, Hoogo, I work exclusively with the JPEG images. I just can’t be bothered with RAW stuff.

By the way -- pigs! I was at a Bolo (traditional marriage exchange) here in Papua New Guinea yesterday afternoon. The exchange included two pigs.
Sow.jpg
Boar.jpg
The guy holding the boar is a PhD student in physics, and the girl sitting on the ute cab is genius level of intelligence -- talking to her (she's about 16) is like talking to the adult you should have had as your mentor! Love the child!). But hey, weekends are for fun so …
Sow transport.jpg
Cheers, geoff
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