zooming

[brucet]

Is there away to zoom in variable increments? I can hit + and get double zoom. - for half zoom. And 100% for full zoom. What I would like to do, need to do, is to be able to zoom in as a percentage. ie at 27% my photo = an A4 print when viewed on screen.

regards

[photoken]

Is there away to zoom in variable increments?

In a word, no.

There are a couple of workarounds, however, that may be useful:

• If you will always need a specific percentage (like 27%), you can change the fixed zoom levels to include that percentage. It's in the Edit...Options...Usage...Zoom Fix. Just replace one of the unused fixed numbers with your desired percentage.
• Switch the working mode of your picture to "Document Mode". Use View...Panels...Document Attributes to display the attributes dialog window where you can change the mode. Then there will appear an auxiliary status bar beneath the picture, and you can type the desired percentage into the percentage window.
  
  Note: There are some differences between Picture Mode and Document Mode -- chapter 2.10 in the Help describes some of the differences.

I filed a request a while ago to have that zoom entry field included in one of the unused sections of the Status Bar, but so far nothing's come of that....

[brucet]

Thanks Ken. Yes it would be nice to have a nice smooth zoom or a variable zoom based on a percentage. Hmm maybe they could learn from PSP's zoom features. .

regards

[Gerhard Huber]

what are you exactly missing and why?

[brucet]

Gerhard PSP allows you to zoom in, or out, to any size. Either by entering a percentage number or sliding to scroll up or down in percentage increments. A mouse wheel will also scroll in or out.

For my work I like to be able to see the file at the printed size. ie if I'm printing on A4's I can zoom in or out to give me a view of the exact size of the paper. As I work on different computers, screen size varies, and Photoline's zoom settings don't give me that flexibility. (Photolines Full View will vary according to screen size. And thus double zoom will also vary).
For editing it's nice to zoom in enough to see just the area I'm working on rather than being confined to fixed zooms of double or half. I'm constantly zooming in and out to make small changes.

As Photoken points out I can put a fixed size in for View/Zoom. But fixed sizes don't always work when you have different paper/project sizes and work on different computer.

So two issues.
1/ I want flexible zooming so I can sit back and see how the finished product will look.
2/ I want to be able to freely zoom in and out for editing small sections.

regards

[Gerhard Huber]

Gerhard PSP allows you to zoom in, or out, to any size. Either by entering a percentage number or sliding to scroll up or down in percentage increments. A mouse wheel will also scroll in or out.

Mouse wheel works in PhotoLine, I see no advantage in entering a value.

For my work I like to be able to see the file at the printed size. ie if I'm printing on A4's I can zoom in or out to give me a view of the exact size of the paper. As I work on different computers, screen size varies, and Photoline's zoom settings don't give me that flexibility. (Photolines Full View will vary according to screen size. And thus double zoom will also vary).

Use "View > Original Size" for this. You have to setup the screen dpi to get exact results.

For editing it's nice to zoom in enough to see just the area I'm working on rather than being confined to fixed zooms of double or half. I'm constantly zooming in and out to make small changes.

Use the mouse wheel to do this, entering a value is boring.

[brucet]

Gerhard I neglected to point out that I don't use a mouse but rather a tablet and pen. A mouse wheel isn't as accurate as entering an exact percentage. I simply mentioned the mouse wheel as another method used by PSP. And how hard is it to move a slider? Besides I tried using the mouse but it wouldn't zoom for me!

Setting up original size works fine for a fixed size. But I use the same original file for various final images. So it's fine as a starting point but when it comes to various final images it would mean setting up a document for each job. Harder than typing in a percentage!!!!

I zoom in and out many many many times making small adjustments. It's a pain being confined to double zooms when I only need a small zoom.

Besides it has nothing to with being boring. It's all about working efficiently. If being bored was my issue I wouldn't be doing this work!
I though Photoline was a genuine editor but if not being 'bored' is the goal then it seems that Photoline is a game. I'm not interested in playing a game!

regards

[maxwell]

In Photoline zooming can be done by CTRL+Mousewheel! What's great with Photoline, CTRL+Mousewheel works also within the browser, layer panel, document panel, with miniatures, ...

Perhaps a slider including percentage, like it is integrated in MS Word, OO, ..., is a proposal for an improvement of Photoline. In this case Photoline shows the same approach as many other applications concerning zooming, but as always the Hubers have to decide!!

[Hoogo]

So you use different computers and different monitors with different sizes and resolutions. Your files also have variations in size, and you want to see what size they have when printed on A4.

And for all these cases you calculate a zoom factor and type it in when needed? Or do you just use the scroll slider and adjust until the size fits more or less?

The textbox for zoom is available in document mode, and when you hold CTRL and then drag the textbox, you can zoom with mouse left and right.
If correct sizes really matter, then I would set up the monitor resolution for each machine with "edit > options > display > resolution" and set up correct resolutions for each file. Then "view > original size" would give correct size on every machine.

On the other hand in document mode there's some space to add a slider right beside the textbox.

[Hoogo]

In Photoline zooming can be done by CTRL+Mousewheel! What's great with Photoline, CTRL+Mousewheel works also within the browser, layer panel, document panel, with miniatures, ...

In "Edit > Options > Working > Cursor" you can select the function of the wheel. For me it zooms without CTRL.

[Herbert123]

I agree that Photoline's zoom actions could see some improvements here and there - especially when working with a Wacom tablet (I do).

My setup is as follows:

1) in the Cursor settings I set the Speed of Scrolling to 0.1, and I have Scroll Image by Mouse Wheel unchecked. These two changes allow me to use the scroll wheel to zoom in and out in small steps.
The caveat is that scrolling in the panels becomes excruciatingly slow, so I can no longer really use the scroll wheel to control those. But small-stepped zoom in and out is far more important to me than being able to scroll the panels' content with the mouse wheel, so I just have to live with that.

If you have a later model Wacom with a scroll ring, the zoom in and out becomes reasonably controllable. Not perfect, though, which is why I use the mouse wheel.

2) it is possible to zoom in to selected objects: hold down the ctrl key, and press the full view button. I set up a shortcut key for the full view command, and then added one more shortcut for the SAME command with the ctrl key assigned to it as well (same keys). The shortcut keys MUST be assigned to the same full view command, otherwise zooming in to selected objects will not work with a shortcut key.
Unfortunately, it is not possible (it seems) to assign just one shortcut key to the zoom to selected command. It means I have to live again with an additional ctrl modifier to make this work, which is quite awkward in use at times.

I wish we could just control the zoom to selected command with one single shortcut stroke.

3) controlling the view using the Wacom tablet's touch functionality is not possible (yet?). Zooming with two fingers is way too slow, and it is not possible to pan or rotate the view with touch gestures (three fingers to pan and rotate, for example).

So, currently my solution is to use my right hand to control the Wacom, and my left hand to control the scroll wheel on the mouse. Not exactly great, indeed - for most people an unworkable setup, I think. But it works for me - I am mouse ambidextrous .

We can control panning in Photoline with the middle mouse button, which works well with the Wacom too. In Krita the SHIFT and CTRL modifier keys are utilized together with the middle mouse button to rotate and zoom the view respectively - smoothly, without visible stepping. I really wish Photoline could do this.

Also, I agree that a simple way to enter a zoom factor is essential to have in certain situations. I never used that option a lot in Photoshop or in other design software, but sometimes it is very, very handy indeed.
Like Krita again:

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(btw, notice the button on the right: it switches between retina and pixel interpretation for retina screens. I would love to have that too. One can wish!

[maxwell]

In Photoline zooming can be done by CTRL+Mousewheel! What's great with Photoline, CTRL+Mousewheel works also within the browser, layer panel, document panel, with miniatures, ...

In "Edit > Options > Working > Cursor" you can select the function of the wheel. For me it zooms without CTRL.

I prefer to work with standard settings, because wotking on different machines, adjustments should be minimized, as far as possible!

[brucet]

As I pointed out I have two issues with the zoom.

1/ I want to see my files at their final print size. I have two computers. An editing computer and a dedicated print computer. I know the percentage of both these monitors and can easily fix my common print sizes, in Photoline, with the View/Zoom steps. (33% on one and 21% on the other for an A4). Not ideal but it will work for most situations. (I always start with the same file/document size regardless of computer or software. They need to stay the same as master files that can be resized for printing).

2/ Most importantly I want flexibility when I'm editing. I want to be able to have the freedom to zoom in and out to edit what ever it is I'm doing. The amountpercentage of zooming can vary so much and the simple double steps don't work for me. A simple slider would be a great compromise between those using a mouse or a pad.

I have demanding, pixel peeping clients who look for all the details. I want to be able to quickly zoom in and at to edit those details.

Please. Just one simple little zoom slider as shown in Herbert123's post.

regards

[Herbert123]

In Photoline zooming can be done by CTRL+Mousewheel! What's great with Photoline, CTRL+Mousewheel works also within the browser, layer panel, document panel, with miniatures, ...

In "Edit > Options > Working > Cursor" you can select the function of the wheel. For me it zooms without CTRL.

I prefer to work with standard settings, because wotking on different machines, adjustments should be minimized, as far as possible!

Not really possible when working with a Wacom tablet. It is almost impossible to use one hand on the mouse while holding down CTRL with the same hand! (because the other hand is holding the Wacom pen)

[brucet]

OK I think I need to demonstrate what I'm trying to do.
The attached is a quick and dirty file I've been using to test various Photoline features. (7 layers of various adjustments). When I deal with clients they want to see their door handles in super detail. Interiors through the glass. Engine detail etc etc. Some of these prints are on stretched canvas a meter wide.
So to do my work I want/need to be zooming in and out to various magnifications to have those details at full screen size. And as you can imagine not every detail works when I'm restricted to a simply 100% or double zoom factor.

regards