Where are the print registration marks stored?

Here everybody can post his problems with PhotoLine
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

The default registration marks and crop marks used when exporting to PDF are a little...thick:
Reg Mark default.png
I'd like to experiment with using something a bit more elegant:
Registration Mark 02.png
Can I do that by simply substituting my registration mark for the default one somewhere?
Du hast keine ausreichende Berechtigung, um die Dateianhänge dieses Beitrags anzusehen.
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Benutzeravatar
Gerhard Huber
Entwickler
Entwickler
Beiträge: 4276
Registriert: Mo 18 Nov 2002 15:30
Wohnort: Bad Gögging

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Gerhard Huber »

no, they can't be replaced.
I think about removing this function completely because I know nowadays no reason why people use it.
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

Gerhard Huber hat geschrieben: no, they can't be replaced.
OK. :(
Gerhard Huber hat geschrieben:I think about removing this function completely because I know nowadays no reason why people use it.
Please keep the function. It does no harm, and there is always a chance that a project will require printing on transparent film which will need to be aligned.
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Benutzeravatar
Gerhard Huber
Entwickler
Entwickler
Beiträge: 4276
Registriert: Mo 18 Nov 2002 15:30
Wohnort: Bad Gögging

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Gerhard Huber »

photoken hat geschrieben:Please keep the function. It does no harm, and there is always a chance that a project will require printing on transparent film which will need to be aligned.
If you want to print your document by a printing company, they won't use your markers. Normally they print on big papers and place several print jobs on this paper. The placement and the cutmarkers is done by them.
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

Gerhard Huber hat geschrieben:If you want to print your document by a printing company, they won't use your markers. Normally they print on big papers and place several print jobs on this paper. The placement and the cutmarkers is done by them.
Yes, I understand. I'm thinking of self-produced projects such as prototypes and comprehensive layouts, etc. Perhaps even films used as masks for etching.
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Paul
Mitglied
Beiträge: 235
Registriert: Fr 19 Dez 2008 11:36

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Paul »

Please keep the cut marks!
I run a smaller printing company and I would have to change my whole printing workflow, which is based upon these cut marks. I use them dozens of times a day. PhotoLine is my main production software tool, from designing through changing and optimizing images and PDFs to the export in PDF (always with cut marks) to the printing process, sometimes with impositioning done in PL.
One of the strong points of my company is the flexibility. And the marks that come with the document show my printing and cutting machines what to do with every individual job.
Also, I urge my customers (most of them good-willing amateurs) to add their own cutmarks if possible, so it is clear to me what they want.
So, please...
- Paul
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

Paul hat geschrieben:...
Also, I urge my customers (most of them good-willing amateurs) to add their own cutmarks if possible, so it is clear to me what they want.
...
Along with this, I also request the addition of dashed marks (as well as dashed guide lines when editing) to show where the folds should be.
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Paul
Mitglied
Beiträge: 235
Registriert: Fr 19 Dez 2008 11:36

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Paul »

I fully agree!
- Paul
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

Paul,
In your work, would you see a benefit to using the more precise registration mark I showed, as well as somewhat thinner but sharper cut lines?
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Paul
Mitglied
Beiträge: 235
Registriert: Fr 19 Dez 2008 11:36

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Paul »

not so much the registrationmarks, but thinner cut lines would be very welcome, and these lines preferably surrounded bij a small white outline. In that way they would be (more) visible on a dark (black) background.
I can see the registration by the cut lines though the paper.
Benutzeravatar
Herbert123
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2452
Registriert: Sa 12 Mai 2012 21:38

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Herbert123 »

I agree with everyone here: please keep the registration marks. As a matter of fact, I would also prefer to see more options implemented to control the marks more precisely.
/*---------------------------------------------*/
System: Win10 64bit - i7 920@3.6Ghz, p6t Deluxe v1, 48gb (6x8gb RipjawsX), Nvidia GTX1080 8GB, Revodrive X2 240gb, e-mu 1820, 2XSamsung SA850 (2560*1440) and 1XHP2408H 1920*1200 portrait
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

123,
Yes, I think that PL should wholeheartedly embrace the use of registration and crop marks, including a more precise registration mark.

By the way, you've been arguing for a long time to get multiple, controllable guide layers, and I now see the benefit of that: When working on a document that will have folds (such as a brochure), I'd really like to have a set of guidelines for the folds that are dashed and in a less obvious colour than the other guidelines. This also would require an additional set of dashed crops in the margin, as I mentioned earlier.
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.
Benutzeravatar
Gerhard Huber
Entwickler
Entwickler
Beiträge: 4276
Registriert: Mo 18 Nov 2002 15:30
Wohnort: Bad Gögging

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Gerhard Huber »

the cutmarker width and the registration marker width (it's always the same) can be changed with an registry entry in the "Settings" of PhotoLine. Setup a new value "CutMarkerWidth" (default is 50).
Here you can setup a "CutMarkerLength", too. The default value is 100.
Benutzeravatar
Herbert123
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2452
Registriert: Sa 12 Mai 2012 21:38

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von Herbert123 »

photoken hat geschrieben:123,
Yes, I think that PL should wholeheartedly embrace the use of registration and crop marks, including a more precise registration mark.

By the way, you've been arguing for a long time to get multiple, controllable guide layers, and I now see the benefit of that: When working on a document that will have folds (such as a brochure), I'd really like to have a set of guidelines for the folds that are dashed and in a less obvious colour than the other guidelines. This also would require an additional set of dashed crops in the margin, as I mentioned earlier.
Glad to see you have arrived at the same conclusion! :-P

Ideally guides would just be part of a specific layer - easy to manage that way. Hide the layer hides the guides on that layer. That is how I worked in InDesign and Illustrator. And why not allow any (vector) shape to be converted to a guide? I would love to have diagonal and round guides.
/*---------------------------------------------*/
System: Win10 64bit - i7 920@3.6Ghz, p6t Deluxe v1, 48gb (6x8gb RipjawsX), Nvidia GTX1080 8GB, Revodrive X2 240gb, e-mu 1820, 2XSamsung SA850 (2560*1440) and 1XHP2408H 1920*1200 portrait
Benutzeravatar
photoken
Mitglied
Beiträge: 2162
Registriert: Sa 28 Sep 2013 01:25

Re: Where are the print registration marks stored?

Beitrag von photoken »

Herbert123 hat geschrieben:Ideally guides would just be part of a specific layer - easy to manage that way. Hide the layer hides the guides on that layer.
Absolutely not! Guides must be independent of the layers -- when working on a piece that will be printed, I need to see the bleed and live matter guides at all times, regardless of which layer is visible or not.
Herbert123 hat geschrieben: And why not allow any (vector) shape to be converted to a guide? I would love to have diagonal and round guides.
That would be interesting, although the current method of using those vector shapes on their own "guide" layer works well enough for me....
Ken
Yes, I think it can be eeeeeasily done....
Just take everything out on Highway 61.