Large List of Bugfixes 2019-2023 (aka Legacy Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools)

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Yes, I agree with Herbert statement : "Compared to just five years ago, PhotoLine has improved tremendously."

The Huber's are extremely open to suggestions.
But they make sure to maintain the strong architecture of PL clean.
They are also conscious that there is a user base that needs stability. To our benefit.

One step at a time ... we can continue make PL more efficient (PS, in my opinion, is not a good example !).

To me, improving feature usability comes first, versus UI and icons.
Not fanatic of the "Modern UI" when a button does not look as a push button and a "Save" icon does not look as a diskette :wink:

Let's work ahead, step by step.
Always willing to contribute.

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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der_fotograf hat geschrieben: Do 26 Dez 2019 09:41 In »Preferences« or »Options« you can define the extreme color value limit -> Options -> Display -> Extreme Values
Seems those values are not for auto Histogram Corerction tool.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Seems those values are not for auto Histogram Corerction tool.
PhotoLine thankfully and definitely is not »everything automatic«. Use ACDsee or Luminar if you want that: Auto-Exposure, Auto-Enhance, Auto-Sharpen, Auto-Sky, Auto-Color, Auto-Shadows, Auto-Highlights, Auto-whatever-you want, maybe even Auto-Likes on Facebook or 500 pixel or flickr.

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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It is not for "auto sky" :) Let me explain my workflow:
- I still shoot 35 mm film and scan film negatives in linear gamma with color management turned off.
- Next i open file in PhotoLine and convert file to 32 bit depth (i explain later why)
- Crop frame (here i would like to see option to keep original pixels during crop, but seems it is not there yet in PhotoLine image mode)
- Next i assign custom created input scanner profile with linear gamma.
- Next i transform it to wide gamut color space (i use BestRGB) with L* gamma. (L* gamma is the only way to invert negative without color shifts and preserve original tonal values. 32 bit depth helps to preserve negative color values in large color spaces and don't clip that data. See my example here https://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6296 )
(As alternate for "classic" lossy color management transforms i prefer to turn color management off and just use Adjustment layers with custom created color space transform LUTs. To create those LUTs i use Synthetic ICC+3D LUT maker apps from DisplayCAL package based on ArgyllCMS https://displaycal.net/ . As suggested in other thread OpenColorIO integrated to Adjustment layer could make similar things way faster way simpler)
- Invert (here i would like to see simple Invert adjustment layer instead of Invert option in Curves tool)
- Next i add Histogram Correction tool and use "Auto Mode for All channels" to crop huge amount of empty space from channels. (here sometimes i need to pick up different clipping point, but it is not possible in PhotoLine yet)
- Next in same Histogram Correction tool i bring back Output levels, to recover clipped dynamic range (this is where 32 bit float also works way better than 16 bit and allow endless data recovery)
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- Next i add Curves tool to bring back contrast with high precision manual curve (high precision, spline interpolated curve is great!)
- White Point tool to fine tune adjust (optional)
- Color space transform LUT from working space to sRGB for web or whatever i need for printing.

P.S. For some additional adjustments i also may need to use 1D gamma transformation LUTs. But PhotoLine don't support 1D cube LUTs yet. I generate those 1D LUTs in LUTCalc online app https://cameramanben.github.io/LUTCalc/ ... index.html

So this is my desired workflow for film scans that allow to keep original source file 100% untouched. And this is the reason why i am looking forward to use PhotoLine and wish to improve it.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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shijan hat geschrieben: Do 26 Dez 2019 20:18 (As alternate for "classic" lossy color management transforms i prefer to turn color management off and just use Adjustment layers with custom created color space transform LUTs. To create those LUTs i use Synthetic ICC+3D LUT maker apps from DisplayCAL package based on ArgyllCMS https://displaycal.net/ . As suggested in other thread OpenColorIO integrated to Adjustment layer could make similar things way faster way simpler)

- Invert (here i would like to see simple Invert adjustment layer instead of Invert option in Curves tool)

- Color space transform LUT from working space to sRGB for web or whatever i need for printing.

P.S. For some additional adjustments i also may need to use 1D gamma transformation LUTs. But PhotoLine don't support 1D cube LUTs yet. I generate those 1D LUTs in LUTCalc online app https://cameramanben.github.io/LUTCalc/ ... index.html
You should have a look at HaldCLUT's.
They are a lot simpler to manage and create, 1D or 3D, invert, etc ...
You can use PL to very simply create them and use them.
Read more about HaldCLUT here : http://www.quelsolaar.com/technology/clut.html

Good luck.

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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DisplayCAL tools can export HaldCLUTs format as well as cube. So new beta version of PhotoLine supports natively HaldCLUTs? Nice!
But cube LUTs are just more commonly used, and more supported by other graphics and video apps. So HaldCLUTs are still not the best cross application exchange method yet.

Another problem - seems there is no any common HaldCLUT pattern for high quality (1024 or 4096 points) 1D gamma transformations. If this pattern exist please let me know.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Next i add Histogram Correction tool and use "Auto Mode for All channels" to crop huge amount of empty space from channels. (here sometimes i need to pick up different clipping point, but it is not possible in PhotoLine yet)
This is nonsense. What you think is »empty space« still contains valuable image information for details in the shadows and highlights. You just don't see them in the histogram. (This is just a hint from a trained and studied photographer with 40+ years experience, who still uses large format cameras with slide and negative film)

Besides this, why don't you just start coding your very own superduperkiller photo editor to show the rest of the world your 20 years of experience and invaluable capabilities? I am sure your SPE (shijan photo editor) will kill Photoshop, PhotoLine and Affinity in a snap...
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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I don't recover all that empty space back. I recover only very small amount of real existing visible data in highlights and shadows which was clipped after automatic per channel adjustment. Sort of 100% preserve highlights. Maybe on my quick example screenshot recovery was shown too extreme. Let's don't offtopic about film scans development quesions. I show example of real life workflow which could be improved if developers add some additional options to PhotoLine.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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One more request: Remember view settings for Color Editor window. Currently when i click to color and open Color Editor window, it always opened in RGB mode. Even if i switch it earlier to HSV or any other different mode.
UPD. Problem fixed by "If you want to change the color mode for the selected color you have to drag a slider first"
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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shijan hat geschrieben: Fr 27 Dez 2019 04:13 One more request: Remember view settings for Color Editor window. Currently when i click to color and open Color Editor window, it always opened in RGB mode. Even if i switch it earlier to HSV or any other different mode.
it opens in the color mode of the color you used to open it.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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Alles Blödsinn. Die schwarze App, die er zeigt, ist RPP, und dort ist der »dunkle Modus« noch experimentell und hat absolut nichts mit »macOS native« zu tun.

Wir sollten diesem Spinner nicht länger auf den Leim gehen, sonst fordert er morgen noch, dass PL Kaffee kochen, Toiletten reinigen und sich mit Alexa unterhalten sollte.
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Re: Large List of Suggestions and Requests for Photoline UI and Tools

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