Neue Testversion 25.00b8

[Gerhard Huber]

Hallo,

es gibt wieder eine neue Testversion 25.00b8.

Windows:
https://www.pl32.com/beta/pl2500b8.zip

macOS:
https://www.pl32.com/beta/plx2500b8.zip

Neues:

• AVIF-Export, Windows: Kann jetzt auch Animationen speichern
• Diverse Fehlerbehebungen und kleinere Verbesserungen

[shijan]

Some other problems fixed in 25.00b8 added to Large List of Bugfixes 2019-2025:

• Request/Idea: add JPEG XL format in Web Export panel, so user could quickly test and adjust visual quality of compression.
• In macOS dual display setup window expands to right display, if left display set as main.
• Program Crash if create Lasso and export image to Jpeg,Tiff or any other format.
• In Windows UHD display at 2x scaled size some UI elements became too small and some too large.
• in Document Mode Flatten Image don't use bottom layer name.

[Herbert123]

Thank you! Great to see AVIF animations support!

[Vivi_Ram]

Thank you for this beta: The crash with "change channels" is now solved. Works perfectly.

[Vivi_Ram]

Brush Problems.jpg

Hello: In the latest beta, whenever I set up an transparent layer above the image layer for dodging and burning and use the brighten or darken brush, the brush preview is a square even if it's a round brush. The brush itself works fine. The preview however is wrong. Just a small inconvenience that deserves attention.

[Vivi_Ram]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0YLdHpZPUg - Is it possible to create knock out layers in PL. I've tried to look for it but can't seem to find it.

[shijan]

Knock out layers use same logic as Clipping Layers in PhotoLine:
Convert image to Gray and disable Transparency.
Convert to Clipping Layer (as described here https://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=6443)
Put it in Group with other layers.

[Hoogo]

I watched the first 6 minutes.

In PL layer masks or cutting layers are separate layers anyways, so one of that features is the natural way to do in PL.
They are also not restricted in their layer type, you can use bitmap, text, vector...
Imho the easiest way to use layers for such purpose:
- Have that layer on top of the stack
- Right click the eye in the layer list
- Enable the cut function in that menu
- Group with the layers it should cut
- There are some bonus options in the layer attributes now: Blurring the cutout or invert it.

The other feature I've seen in that video: That knockout mask is using transparency instead of the usual brightness. I'd prefer the usual black/white mask, but tranparency will also do, though a little bit different. In PL brightness and transparency are multiplied.

[Herbert123]

Knock out layers use same logic as Clipping Layers in PhotoLine:
Convert image to Gray and disable Transparency.
Convert to Clipping Layer (as described here https://www.pl32.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=6443)
Put it in Group with other layers.

To amend Hoogo's answer: Photoshop's layer masking is inherently limited and destructive, i.e. only one bitmap layer mask and only one vector layer mask per layer. It is also not possible to use text layers or smart objects as layer masks, which means the Photoshop developers had to come up with other (more obscure) methods to solve a simple effect such as masking a layer with a text layer.

One solution they came up with is the knockout option in the advanced layer options and combine this with clipping masks. Another solution is the 'fill' slider to control the final opacity of the text. (I have to admit that I'd like to have a similar 'fill' option in PhotoLine, but again: most of the time the effect can be replicated in a different way in PhotoLine.)

PhotoLine's and Photoshop's layer stacks can't be compared directly, because PhotoLine's layer system is generally much more flexible and arguably easier to use. For example, to replicate Photoshop's knockout effect in PhotoLine requires a different approach, and results in a more flexible layer stack that exposes the functionality much better rather than hiding away in an advanced layer properties setting.

The trick is to invert the clipping for a group that contains the text. Then set that group to show/clip. (PS this last setting isn't exposed in the layer - which it really should. That ought to be improved.

Here is an example to replicate the text knockout effect.

knockout_text_effect.jpg

knockout_text_effect.pld

[Herbert123]

I've been testing the AVIF animation export. It takes an inordinate amount of time to export AVIF animations - right now I have an animation that I started to export 10 minutes ago, and still hasn't finished.

The extremely slow AVIF export in PhotoLine is something that I have noticed again and again - it feels something is amiss with PhotoLine's AVIF export code or library, because other software is WAAAY more performant than PhotoLine.

It is actually almost unusable sometimes. I'd like to see some improvements in this regard.

[Vivi_Ram]

I watched the first 6 minutes.

In PL layer masks or cutting layers are separate layers anyways, so one of that features is the natural way to do in PL.
They are also not restricted in their layer type, you can use bitmap, text, vector...
Imho the easiest way to use layers for such purpose:
- Have that layer on top of the stack
- Right click the eye in the layer list
- Enable the cut function in that menu
- Group with the layers it should cut
- There are some bonus options in the layer attributes now: Blurring the cutout or invert it.

The other feature I've seen in that video: That knockout mask is using transparency instead of the usual brightness. I'd prefer the usual black/white mask, but tranparency will also do, though a little bit different. In PL brightness and transparency are multiplied.

Thank you @Hoogo and @Herbert123, I agree with you that PL is actually simpler. Inverting clipping layer works simply and straightforwardly. I actually do prefer PS's text fill levels. It is very straightforward.

[betotex]

merged copy is not working when painting with FINGER tool on a layer that is upon a LIQUIFY layer.

[Martin Huber]

In the latest beta, whenever I set up an transparent layer above the image layer for dodging and burning and use the brighten or darken brush, the brush preview is a square even if it's a round brush. The brush itself works fine. The preview however is wrong.

I can't reproduce that. Something special about your image, brush or tool settings?

[Vivi_Ram]

No. There's nothing special about the Brush. But the preview has worked since I restarted, so I think you can ignore this.

[Vivi_Ram]

Writing to request a small enhancement to PL's zoom and pan feature and a shortcut to set line colour:

1. PL's zoom and pan feature. At the moment, it is impossible to pan out of the canvas if the user is fully zoomed in. This can be improved by allowing the user to pan outside the canvas even at deep zoom levels. This is because I routinely place my references outside the canvas and refer to them. Also, in PL by default items outside the canvas are not rendered in full transparency. It would be useful to toggle this behaviour on and off like Affinity where shortcut "\" shows and hides items outside the canvas.

2. It would be very handy if we could set line colour with a shift click on the colour, pattern, etc.

3. Finally, there's a small non-crash bug in the line pattern window where if you set a dash pattern, the window closes immediately, instead of staying open so we can set more values.

And a small question: Is there an view in outline mode function in PL?

Thanks you.