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Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Gerhard Huber » Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:50

Hallo,

es gibt wieder eine neue Testversion 22.40b2.

Windows:
http://www.pl32.com/beta/pl2240b2.zip

Mac OS:
http://www.pl32.com/beta/plx2240b2.zip


Neues:
  • Oberfläche überarbeitet: Tabs, Popups, Schieberegler, dockbare Dialoge
  • Bildübersicht: Wird ein Bild angeklickt und die Stichwortliste ist aktiv, werden die enthaltenen Stichwörter markiert
  • Bildübersicht: Ordner können im Explorer/Finder geöffnet werden
  • Diverse Fehlerbehebungen und kleinere Verbesserungen

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by shijan » Tue 24 Mar 2020 22:54

I like flat Adjustment layer toolbar!
I don't like Adjustment layer toolbar with purple tint color.
I don't like new Firefox-like line indicators on tabs. Maybe on Windows they help somehow with tabs visibility, but on Mac they totally useless. Tabs on Mac are well visible as is. Tabs are so tiny and those additional blinking pixel line indicators on tabs only adds distracting and mess. Option in UI settings to turn those lines on/off may help.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by ono » Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:01

So on Windows:
1. dialogs received deserved layout improvements, see e.g. Settings dialog below where labels are now much better aligned with controls - I am positive
2. panel tabs good blue highlight - I am pretty neutral here
3. we good new slider that is not looking like custom control, to be honest I prefer native look - I don't understand what improvement custom look brings here

Before:
PL2240b1_vs_b2_Win_before.png
After:
PL2240b1_vs_b2_Win_after.png
On Mac:
1. panel titlebars no longer have gradient - I have mixed feeling about this one because the gradient in pane titlebar there is still macOS correct and native look, see Shift+Cmd+I in finder, the gradient is still there
2. panel and some other tabs got light blue highlight - this IMHO looks horrible

Additionally some tabs like in color picker look very off with their weird thicker font as if text was rendered with some different software.
PL2240_macOS_b1_vs_b2_weird.png
So my humble advice - please don't overdo the UI changes. Please don't make revolution and keep the UI look & feel platform (OS) native as possible as it used to be.

Uff... describing all of that with 100KB and 3 attachment limit is quite a challenge here :)
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by ono » Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:03

shijan wrote:
Tue 24 Mar 2020 22:54
I don't like new line indicators on tabs. (...)
Argh, I thought I'll be the first.. hahaha, but I got stuck trying to optimize images to fit into 100KB and 3 files limit :lol:
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by shijan » Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:29

ono wrote:
Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:01
Finder Tool pane still have gradient
It is a native OS window toolbar. It never changed even in apps with customized themes.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by ono » Wed 25 Mar 2020 00:53

shijan wrote:
Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:29
ono wrote:
Tue 24 Mar 2020 23:01
Finder Tool pane still have gradient
It is a native OS window toolbar. It never changed even in apps with customized themes.
Not sure if I understand you. Yes you can have custom tool window title bars if you want on macOS. It is technically possible, but rarely used. The apps with custom themes you refer use I believe their own UI library (widgets) and render only window contents on their own, but not alter look of title bars of their windows, that remain rendered by the system.

PL so far was either using native macOS controls or (when using own rendering) tried to follow native look and feel, with latest changes it is becoming less native. Personally I don’t like this direction. The awarded and most recognized macOS apps not only follow Apple Human Interface Guidelines by using native L&F (unless given control does not exist in the system) but also provide intuitive layout and functionality.

To me fiddling with the look of the controls on macOS is a slippery slope since you need to come up with a new stylistically consistent and ergonomically efficient design that have to have advantage over what platform can provide.

If PL authors want to go this route then fine, but it would be much better if they provided some sort of a draft of a new design showing the intentions rather than a build with some of the controls redesigned and others not, without further hint if this is just beginning of something new or just isolated change. I know there are good intentions behind though.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Juan » Wed 25 Mar 2020 08:39

The new rounded slider control are great, it soften the UI a lot. Great work.
Now the gradient in the dropdown menus are gone, excellent.
The new panel snapping at the bottom of the window so they don't overflow it is amazing.

The orange active tab indicator is a no for me, it adds again unnecessary visual noise. If some users likes it then it can be optional in the User Interface Option.

There is still a little bit of visual noise so I have a few small suggestions:

1- The extra lighter lines that frames the tab can be taken off. In this way less contrast objects in the panels element are reduced. Therefore, less visual noise.
2- The Panel bar should be the same color as the inactive tabs, by doing this, the visual noise will be reduced greatly. The advantage of this, is that no matter if the user choose Light or Dark theme, the bar adapts automatically to the inactive tab color.
3- In my personal case I got rid of the new color line over the active tab.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Juan » Wed 25 Mar 2020 08:40

There is a German wording over the Guides Panel:
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When using File-->Export, I get this weird dialog:
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by ono » Wed 25 Mar 2020 14:27

Juan wrote:
Wed 25 Mar 2020 08:39
The new panel snapping at the bottom of the window so they don't overflow it is amazing
Oh wow. Did not realize that this change was already introduced in Beta 1 without explicit announcement (collapsing/extending pane) keeps the bottom of the bottom pane snapped. In Beta 2 it was extended so resizing panes above also keeps the bottom pane snapping. Great work!
However that if I resize window then the bottom pane bottom snapping in not maintained, that would be nice addition too.
Juan wrote:
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The new rounded slider control are great, it soften the UI a lot. Great work.
I agree that new slider looks more attractive and also looks more like macOS slider. Still I would really love to know plans of the authors if there are other controls that are going to be customized, e.g. buttons, combos, are this going to happen only for Windows or macOS too, and if there's still intention to remain close to platform native L&F.

Nevertheless I want to praise again great work on improving layout of the controls, i.e. text baseline alignment, that makes PL UI look more professional now, see:

Beta 1 (before)
PL2240b2_ColorEditor_b1.png
Beta 2 (after]
PL2240b2_ColorEditor_b2.png
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Juan » Wed 25 Mar 2020 15:46

ono wrote:
Wed 25 Mar 2020 14:27
However that if I resize window then the bottom pane bottom snapping in not maintained, that would be nice addition too.
You are right, there are few issues. I will try to record a video.
ono wrote:
Wed 25 Mar 2020 14:27
Nevertheless I want to praise again great work on improving layout of the controls, i.e. text baseline alignment, that makes PL UI look more professional now
Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by shijan » Wed 25 Mar 2020 16:23

I agree that UI should be done globally, but not as a random redesigned elements. Usually designer draw a sketch of final UI, all changes in sketch discussed with team, and then developers code UI real life.
But it is a beta version and i guess everything is possible. Also don't have coding skills, so i have no idea how custom UI usually connected to application.

P.S. Don't you have a feeling that new black round sliders on Windows are too small compare to text fields and other elements? Or is it due some custom resized Windows UI on hi dpi display?
On Mac elements size relations looks more balanced:
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Andre » Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:14

Hallo,

wenn jetzt am UI gearbeitet witd, hätte ich auch noch eine Kleinigkeit. Wird die Fenstergröße verändert, werden bei meiner Dialoganordnung die Icons für die Ebenenauswahl verdeckt.
bild1.jpg
Ziehe ich dann das Fenster wieder groß um an die Bedienelemente zu kommen, bleiben Artefakte der Icon auf dem Bildschirm stehen
bild2.jpg
Lässt sich das ändern? Am Besten wäre es, wenn die Bedienelemente nicht vom Hauptfenster verdeckt würden.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Herbert123 » Wed 25 Mar 2020 21:09

Tabs can now be clicked to both open AND collapse them again. Great work. It's these little things that really add polish. Thanks!

With the dark tints used to indicate the main selected layer, some of the layer icons on the right become obscured and can hardly be seen.
I still think a blue tint to highlight selected layers would work better, and is more in line with "industry" standard expectations.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Herbert123 » Wed 25 Mar 2020 21:11

Juan wrote:
Wed 25 Mar 2020 15:46
ono wrote:
Wed 25 Mar 2020 14:27
Nevertheless I want to praise again great work on improving layout of the controls, i.e. text baseline alignment, that makes PL UI look more professional now
Couldn't agree more.
+1 Small changes, yet big impact on the overall GUI look and feel. Well done so far.
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Re: Neue Testversion 22.40b2

Post by Martin Huber » Fri 27 Mar 2020 09:45

shijan wrote:
Tue 24 Mar 2020 22:54
(...)
I don't like Adjustment layer toolbar with purple tint color.
The color has to be distinguishable from the normal titlebar. What color/brightness value do you propose?

Martin